#907 - SNG 2:12 pruning or singing - not both - en_ulb

SusanQuigley commented

2021-09-29 13:52:49 +00:00

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\q
\v 12 The flowers have appeared in the land;
\q2 the time for pruning and the singing of birds has come,
\q2 and the sound of the doves is heard in our land.

The other versions have either "the time for pruning has come" or "the time for singing has come," not both. (Some indicate that the singers are birds and some do not.) Should we have just one?

\q \v 12 The flowers have appeared in the land; \q2 **the time for pruning and the singing of birds has come,** \q2 and the sound of the doves is heard in our land. The other versions have either "the time for pruning has come" or "the time for singing has come," not both. (Some indicate that the singers are birds and some do not.) Should we have just one?

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JohnH commented

2021-09-29 17:53:17 +00:00

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I don't know if it is a necessary change, but I think it would be better as:

\q
\v 12 The flowers have appeared in the land;
\q2 the time for singing has come,
\q2 and the sound of the doves is heard in our land.

We can explain in notes that this means the singing of birds, and some Bibles translate this as "the time for pruning"

I don't know if it is a necessary change, but I think it would be better as: \q \v 12 The flowers have appeared in the land; \q2 **the time for singing has come,** \q2 and the sound of the doves is heard in our land. We can explain in notes that this means the singing of birds, and some Bibles translate this as "the time for pruning"

JohnH commented

2021-09-29 17:53:33 +00:00

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What do you think @Drew?

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drewc commented

2021-09-29 18:20:06 +00:00

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It’s springtime, the right time for love. Springtime is signaled by three events associated with its beginning. First, flowers appear. After the rainy season, the countryside of Israel is filled with wild flowers. Second, there is singing in the land. The root of zāmîr is debated. Is it from zmr “to sing” or zmr “to prune”? While the floral context might suggest the latter, many point out that the timing is wrong for pruning, which takes place in July through August. Both renditions have an old pedigree, and Gordon suggests that there may be a double reference here. 26 Third, there is the cooing of the turtledove, a bird known to return to Palestine in early April.

Tremper Longman, Song of Songs, The New International Commentary on the Old Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2001), 121.

It’s springtime, the right time for love. Springtime is signaled by three events associated with its beginning. First, flowers appear. After the rainy season, the countryside of Israel is filled with wild flowers. Second, there is singing in the land. The root of zāmîr is debated. Is it from zmr “to sing” or zmr “to prune”? While the floral context might suggest the latter, many point out that the timing is wrong for pruning, which takes place in July through August. Both renditions have an old pedigree, and Gordon suggests that there may be a double reference here. 26 Third, there is the cooing of the turtledove, a bird known to return to Palestine in early April. Tremper Longman, Song of Songs, The New International Commentary on the Old Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2001), 121.

drewc commented

2021-09-29 18:20:29 +00:00

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I would not change anything. I do not think this rises to the level of a must change now.

SusanQuigley commented

2021-09-29 18:28:24 +00:00

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Ok. Thanks. I'll close this issue.

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SusanQuigley commented

2021-09-29 19:06:39 +00:00

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I think this is important enough to look at some day. I'll open it up and lable it "Not urgent".

The audio recording of SNG for branch 22-01 was completed Feb 16, 2022. So we won't make any changes to SNG until after this branch is merged with the master.

I think this is important enough to look at some day. I'll open it up and lable it "Not urgent". ---- The audio recording of SNG for branch 22-01 was completed Feb 16, 2022. So we won't make any changes to SNG until after this branch is merged with the master.

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SNG 2:12 pruning or singing - not both #907