Last Review ULB Isa 11:14 #737

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opened 2020-08-19 16:33:51 +00:00 by TomWarren · 5 comments

TomWarren commented

2020-08-19 16:33:51 +00:00

Last Review ULB Isa 11:14

\v 14 Instead they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west,
\q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east.
\q1 They will attack Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them.

Last Review ULB Isa 11:14

\v 14 But they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west,
\q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east.
\q1 They will put out their hand against Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them.

The figure "put out their hand" is used extensively, and should be preserved, with tN ...

Tom W

Last Review ULB Isa 11:14 \v 14 **Instead** they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west, \q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east. \q1 They will **attack** Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them. Last Review ULB Isa 11:14 \v 14 **But** they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west, \q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east. \q1 They will **put out their hand against** Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them. The figure "put out their hand" is used extensively, and should be preserved, with tN ... Tom W

SusanQuigley commented

2020-10-23 19:06:03 +00:00

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\v 13 He will turn aside the envy of Ephraim, and hostilities of Judah will be cut off.
\q1 Ephraim will not envy Judah, and Judah will no longer be hostile to Ephraim.

\s5
\q1
\v 14 Instead they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west,
\q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east.
\q1 They will attack Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them.

14 "Instead" vs "But"
It looks like instead of fighting against each other (v 13), Ephraim and Judah will work together in fighting against the Philistines and the people of the east.
I think ULB is adequate

14 "attack Edom vs "put out their hand against Edom"
ULB is adequate

\v 13 He will turn aside the envy of Ephraim, and hostilities of Judah will be cut off. \q1 Ephraim will not envy Judah, and Judah will no longer be hostile to Ephraim. \s5 \q1 \v 14 **Instead** they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west, \q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east. \q1 They will **attack** Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them. **14** "Instead" vs "But" It looks like instead of fighting against each other (v 13), Ephraim and Judah will work together in fighting against the Philistines and the people of the east. **I think ULB is adequate** **14** "attack Edom vs "put out their hand against Edom" **ULB is adequate**

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Drew

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drewc commented

2020-10-23 20:07:44 +00:00

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Agreed, but I think attack is wrong. I think the NASB says it best it is more of the idea of the will possess. This is the meaning of the stretched out hand.

Edom and Moab are the outstretching of their hand (that of which they take possession

Francis Brown, Samuel Rolles Driver, and Charles Augustus Briggs, Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1977), 1020.

Agreed, but I think attack is wrong. I think the NASB says it best it is more of the idea of the will possess. This is the meaning of the stretched out hand. Edom and Moab are the outstretching of their hand (that of which they take possession Francis Brown, Samuel Rolles Driver, and Charles Augustus Briggs, Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1977), 1020.

SusanQuigley commented

2020-10-23 21:07:38 +00:00

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Is this what you were thinking of?

\v 14 Instead they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west,
\q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east.
\q1 They will possess Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them.

Is this what you were thinking of? \v 14 Instead they will swoop down on the Philistine hills on the west, \q1 and together they will plunder the people of the east. \q1 They will **possess** Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will obey them.

drewc commented

2020-10-23 23:11:11 +00:00

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Yes