Last Review Mat 4:21

TomWarren commented

2020-07-21 13:56:43 +00:00

Mat 4:21 Greek Text
4:21 Καὶ προβὰς ἐκεῖθεν εἶδεν ἄλλους δύο ἀδελφούς, Ἰάκωβον τὸν τοῦ Ζεβεδαίου καὶ Ἰωάννην τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ, ἐν τῷ πλοίῳ μετὰ Ζεβεδαίου τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτῶν καταρτίζοντας τὰ δίκτυα αὐτῶν, καὶ ἐκάλεσεν αὐτούς.
4:22 οἱ δὲ εὐθέως ἀφέντες τὸ πλοῖον καὶ τὸν πατέρα αὐτῶν ἠκολούθησαν αὐτῷ.

Current ULB Mat 4:21-22
\v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee, and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father mending their nets. He called them,
\v 22 and they immediately left the boat and their father and followed him.

Suggesting:
\v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee, and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets, and he called them.
\v 22 Immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed him.

Chunked up verse, easier to read with connections.

Mat 4:21 Greek Text 4:21 Καὶ προβὰς ἐκεῖθεν εἶδεν ἄλλους δύο ἀδελφούς, Ἰάκωβον τὸν τοῦ Ζεβεδαίου καὶ Ἰωάννην τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ, ἐν τῷ πλοίῳ μετὰ Ζεβεδαίου τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτῶν καταρτίζοντας τὰ δίκτυα αὐτῶν, καὶ ἐκάλεσεν αὐτούς. 4:22 οἱ δὲ εὐθέως ἀφέντες τὸ πλοῖον καὶ τὸν πατέρα αὐτῶν ἠκολούθησαν αὐτῷ. Current ULB Mat 4:21-22 \v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee, and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father mending their nets. He called them, \v 22 and they immediately left the boat and their father and followed him. Suggesting: \v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee, and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets, and he called them. \v 22 Immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed him. Chunked up verse, easier to read with connections.

TomWarren changed title from ~~Last Readthrough Mat 4:21~~ to Last Review Mat 4:21

2020-07-21 14:14:08 +00:00

hmw3 commented

2020-07-21 15:01:08 +00:00

Suggested comma deletion:

Zebedee [no comma] and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets, and he called them. \v 22 Immediately they left the boat and their father [no comma] and followed

Suggested comma deletion: Zebedee [no comma] and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets, and he called them. \v 22 Immediately they left the boat and their father [no comma] and followed

SusanQuigley commented

2020-09-02 19:25:02 +00:00

Owner

I don't have a problem with any of these changes, but they may not be absolutely necessary.

Concerning moving the sentence break to the end of v21.

Will this change remove a heresy? NO
Will this change remove a denominational or theological bias? NO
Will this change correct wrong information (that is not attested in other translations)? NO
Will this change correct a particular spelling or punctuation error (rather than a general spelling or punctuation decision)? NO
Is the current text too hard for me to understand even with our current resources? NO
Will this change more closely conform the English syntax to the Greek syntax (parts of speech, clause type, sentence breaks)? YES

My opinion: We do not need to move the sentence break.

Concerning the commas before 'and':

Will this change remove a heresy? NO
Will this change remove a denominational or theological bias? NO
Will this change correct wrong information (that is not attested in other translations)? NO
Will this change correct a particular spelling or punctuation error (rather than a general spelling or punctuation decision)? YES
Is the current text too hard for me to understand even with our current resources? NO
Will this change more closely conform the English syntax to the Greek syntax (parts of speech, clause type, sentence breaks)? NO

My opinion: I'm fine with removing the comma after Zebedee, although I see that some versions have it.

Issue Formatting Note: In order to make this easy to read, I needed to add two spaces after each line.

I don't have a problem with any of these changes, but they may not be absolutely necessary. Concerning moving the sentence break to the end of v21. 1. Will this change remove a heresy? NO 2. Will this change remove a denominational or theological bias? NO 3. Will this change correct wrong information (that is not attested in other translations)? NO 4. Will this change correct a particular spelling or punctuation error (rather than a general spelling or punctuation decision)? NO 5. Is the current text too hard for me to understand even with our current resources? NO 6. Will this change more closely conform the English syntax to the Greek syntax (parts of speech, clause type, sentence breaks)? **YES** **My opinion: We do not need to move the sentence break.** ---- Concerning the commas before 'and': 1. Will this change remove a heresy? NO 2. Will this change remove a denominational or theological bias? NO 3. Will this change correct wrong information (that is not attested in other translations)? NO 4. Will this change correct a particular spelling or punctuation error (rather than a general spelling or punctuation decision)? **YES** 5. Is the current text too hard for me to understand even with our current resources? NO 6. Will this change more closely conform the English syntax to the Greek syntax (parts of speech, clause type, sentence breaks)? NO **My opinion: I'm fine with removing the comma after Zebedee, although I see that some versions have it.** **Issue Formatting Note:** In order to make this easy to read, I needed to add two spaces after each line.

SusanQuigley added the

Drew

John

labels 2020-09-02 19:25:11 +00:00

drewc commented

2020-09-09 13:27:57 +00:00

Owner

What then is your final suggested reading? (Susan)

drewc added the

Susan

label 2020-09-09 13:34:30 +00:00

SusanQuigley commented

2020-09-09 13:41:19 +00:00

Owner

Here's my suggested reading based on trying to make the smallest and fewest changes. (Leaving the long sentence and removing the comma.)

Mat 4:21-22
\v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father mending their nets. He called them,
\v 22 and they immediately left the boat and their father and followed him.

Here's my suggested reading based on trying to make the smallest and fewest changes. (Leaving the long sentence and removing the comma.) Mat 4:21-22 \v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father mending their nets. He called them, \v 22 and they immediately left the boat and their father and followed him.

drewc commented

2020-09-09 13:50:09 +00:00

Owner

I am good with it

SusanQuigley commented

2020-09-09 14:23:05 +00:00

Owner

I removed the comma after "James son of Zebedee.

Mat 4:21-22
\v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father mending their nets. He called them,
\v 22 and they immediately left the boat and their father and followed him.

I removed the comma after "James son of Zebedee. Mat 4:21-22 \v 21 As Jesus was going on from there he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and John his brother. They were in the boat with Zebedee their father mending their nets. He called them, \v 22 and they immediately left the boat and their father and followed him.

SusanQuigley closed this issue

2020-09-09 14:23:05 +00:00

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