deceive

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Definition:
The term “deceive” means to cause someone to believe something that is not true. The act of deceiving someone is called “deceit.”

Another term “deception” also refers to the act of causing someone to believe something that is not true.
Someone who causes others to believe something false is a “deceiver.” For example, Satan is called a “deceiver.” The evil spirits that he controls are also deceivers.
A person, action, or message that is not truthful can be described as “deceptive.”
The terms “deceit” and “deception” have the same meaning, but there are some small differences in how they are used.
The descriptive terms “deceitful” and “deceptive” have the same meaning and are used in the same contexts.
To “entice” someone is to deceive him into thinking that he will enjoy doing something evil.
To “defraud” a person is to use deceit to obtain from that person something that that person would not give if he knew the truth.
One person will “flatter” another by praising him falsely so that the other person will do what the speaker wants him to do.
To “lie” to someone or to tell a “lie” is not the same as to lie down to go to sleep.

Translation Suggestions:

Other ways to translate “deceive” could include “lie to” or “cause to have a false belief” or “cause someone to think something that is not true.”
The term “deceived” could also be translated as “caused to think something false” or “lied to” or “tricked” or “fooled” or “misled.”
“Deceiver” could be translated as “liar” or “one who misleads” or “someone who deceives.”
Depending on the context, the terms “deception” or “deceit” could be translated with a word or phrase that means “falsehood” or “lying” or “trickery” or “dishonesty.”
The terms “deceptive” or “deceitful” could be translated as “untruthful” or “misleading” or “lying” to describe a person who speaks or acts in a way that causes other people to believe things that are not true.

MaryEllen noticed that the bullets discussing the nouns 'deception' and 'deceit' and the adjectives 'deceptive' and 'deceitful' are confusing. There are differences cited in the definition bullet item, but they are not really clarified, and the bullet items in the translation suggestions treat them as synonymous.

I've looked at these words in the ULB, and I don't see any strong sytematic distinction in their uses. Maybe we could simplify it to this.

Definition:
The word “deceive” means to cause someone to believe something that is not true.

The words “deceit” and “deception” can refer to an act or habit of deceiving others or to a message that is not truthful.
A "deceiver" is someone who causes others to believe something that is not true. For example, Satan is called a “deceiver.” The evil spirits that he controls are also deceivers.
The words “deceitful” and “deceptive” can describe people who deceive others or messages or actions that are meant to deceive others.
To “entice” someone is to deceive him into thinking that he will enjoy doing something evil.
To “defraud” someone is to use deceit to get from him something that he would not give if he knew the truth.
To “flatter” someone is to praise him falsely so that he will do what the speaker wants him to do.
To “lie” to someone or to tell a “lie” is not the same as to lie down to go to sleep.

Translation Suggestions:

Depending on the context, “deceive” could be translated as “lie to,” “mislead,” “trick,” or “fool.”
“Deceiver” could be translated as “liar” or “one who misleads” or “someone who deceives.”
Depending on the context, “deception” or “deceit” could be translated with a word or phrase that means “falsehood” or “lying” or “trickery” or “dishonesty.”
The terms “deceptive” or “deceitful” could be translated as “untruthful” or “misleading” or “lying” to describe a person who speaks or acts in a way that causes other people to believe things that are not true.

https://content.bibletranslationtools.org/WycliffeAssociates/en_tw/src/branch/master/bible/other/deceive.md **Definition:** The term “deceive” means to cause someone to believe something that is not true. The act of deceiving someone is called “deceit.” * Another term “deception” also refers to the act of causing someone to believe something that is not true. * Someone who causes others to believe something false is a “deceiver.” For example, Satan is called a “deceiver.” The evil spirits that he controls are also deceivers. * A person, action, or message that is not truthful can be described as “deceptive.” * The terms “deceit” and “deception” have the same meaning, but there are some small differences in how they are used. * The descriptive terms “deceitful” and “deceptive” have the same meaning and are used in the same contexts. * To “entice” someone is to deceive him into thinking that he will enjoy doing something evil. * To “defraud” a person is to use deceit to obtain from that person something that that person would not give if he knew the truth. * One person will “flatter” another by praising him falsely so that the other person will do what the speaker wants him to do. * To “lie” to someone or to tell a “lie” is not the same as to lie down to go to sleep. **Translation Suggestions:** * Other ways to translate “deceive” could include “lie to” or “cause to have a false belief” or “cause someone to think something that is not true.” * The term “deceived” could also be translated as “caused to think something false” or “lied to” or “tricked” or “fooled” or “misled.” “Deceiver” could be translated as “liar” or “one who misleads” or “someone who deceives.” * Depending on the context, the terms “deception” or “deceit” could be translated with a word or phrase that means “falsehood” or “lying” or “trickery” or “dishonesty.” * The terms “deceptive” or “deceitful” could be translated as “untruthful” or “misleading” or “lying” to describe a person who speaks or acts in a way that causes other people to believe things that are not true. MaryEllen noticed that the bullets discussing the nouns 'deception' and 'deceit' and the adjectives 'deceptive' and 'deceitful' are confusing. There are differences cited in the definition bullet item, but they are not really clarified, and the bullet items in the translation suggestions treat them as synonymous. I've looked at these words in the ULB, and I don't see any strong sytematic distinction in their uses. Maybe we could simplify it to this. **Definition:** The word “deceive” means to cause someone to believe something that is not true. * The words “deceit” and “deception” can refer to an act or habit of deceiving others or to a message that is not truthful. * A "deceiver" is someone who causes others to believe something that is not true. For example, Satan is called a “deceiver.” The evil spirits that he controls are also deceivers. * The words “deceitful” and “deceptive” can describe people who deceive others or messages or actions that are meant to deceive others. * To “entice” someone is to deceive him into thinking that he will enjoy doing something evil. * To “defraud” someone is to use deceit to get from him something that he would not give if he knew the truth. * To “flatter” someone is to praise him falsely so that he will do what the speaker wants him to do. * To “lie” to someone or to tell a “lie” is not the same as to lie down to go to sleep. **Translation Suggestions:** * Depending on the context, “deceive” could be translated as “lie to,” “mislead,” “trick,” or “fool.” * “Deceiver” could be translated as “liar” or “one who misleads” or “someone who deceives.” * Depending on the context, “deception” or “deceit” could be translated with a word or phrase that means “falsehood” or “lying” or “trickery” or “dishonesty.” * The terms “deceptive” or “deceitful” could be translated as “untruthful” or “misleading” or “lying” to describe a person who speaks or acts in a way that causes other people to believe things that are not true.