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This page needs images of formatted text.
Since we don't have a pdf of the the ULB,

  • should it be taken from the Read on Web view of the ULB on BIEL or
  • should we make a pdf and take it from that?

INSERT IMAGE of first page of Genesis.

INSERT IMAGE of "Book Three" and first verse or two of Psalm 73
Problem: The title "Book Three does not show up on BIEL Read on Web.

INSERT IMAGE of Psalm 4
Problem: The psalm headings do not show up on BIEL Read on Web.

INSERT IMAGE of Exodus 15:1-3
Problem? The indenting is odd. Every line is indented the same, so it doesn't look like there is any indenting. Also the appearance changes with the width of the window. So if a line wraps, it goes to the left of the indented line.

INSERT IMAGE of Song of Songs 1:7-8 with headings
The speaker identification looks better now. It has a blank line before and after it and it is centered. It would be nice if it were in italics and perhaps a smaller font.

INSERT IMAGE of Mark 16:20 and its footnote.

https://content.bibletranslationtools.org/WycliffeAssociates/en_tm/src/branch/master/translate/format-markers/01.md This page needs images of formatted text. Since we don't have a pdf of the the ULB, * should it be taken from the Read on Web view of the ULB on BIEL or * should we make a pdf and take it from that? INSERT IMAGE of first page of Genesis. INSERT IMAGE of "Book Three" and first verse or two of Psalm 73 **Problem:** The title "Book Three does not show up on BIEL Read on Web. INSERT IMAGE of Psalm 4 **Problem:** The psalm headings do not show up on BIEL Read on Web. INSERT IMAGE of Exodus 15:1-3 **Problem?** The indenting is odd. Every line is indented the same, so it doesn't look like there is any indenting. Also the appearance changes with the width of the window. So if a line wraps, it goes to the left of the indented line. INSERT IMAGE of Song of Songs 1:7-8 with headings The speaker identification looks better now. It has a blank line before and after it and it is centered. It would be nice if it were in italics and perhaps a smaller font. INSERT IMAGE of Mark 16:20 and its footnote.
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Chris,

Please read the post above before reading this one.

  1. Should I ask someone in IT to fix the formatting issues in the Read on Web view of the ULB and UDB? If so, who?
  2. Is there a way for language communities to make a pdf of their formatted ULB?
  3. Is there a way for us to make a pdf of our formatted ULB?
  4. If so, could you show me how?
  5. Could you show me how to insert the images into the TM page (whether from the Read on Web view or a pdf)?
Chris, Please read the post above before reading this one. 1. Should I ask someone in IT to fix the formatting issues in the Read on Web view of the ULB and UDB? If so, who? 2. Is there a way for language communities to make a pdf of their formatted ULB? 3. Is there a way for us to make a pdf of our formatted ULB? 4. If so, could you show me how? 5. Could you show me how to insert the images into the TM page (whether from the Read on Web view or a pdf)?
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The blue sentences show how I'm considering describing what the formatting does since I don't know of a way to show it.

The following are types of information that need USFM markers so that they can be formatted. See How to Format the Text to see the markers for chapter, verse, and paragraph.

Book Titles

Book titles have the USFM marker "\mt" to show the formatting of the title at the beginning of the book. For example, the book of Genesis has the following line.

\mt Genesis

A computer program that reads USFM can format the title written after \mt to be larger than the rest of the text.

Book Numbers in Psalms

The Book of Psalms is made up of five numbered books. The title of each book has the USFM marker "\ms".

\ms Book two
\c 42

A program that reads USFM can center the words "Book Two" on the page just over the words "Psalm 42".

Headings

Some of the Psalms have headings, or superscriptions, that are part of the scripture but come before the Psalm. Often these tell who wrote the psalm, when he wrote it, and how it is to be sung. These headings have the USFM marker "\d" to show that they are this kind of heading. The beginning of Psalm 4 has the following USFM formatting and text. A program that reads USFM can use a different print style for the heading to show that it is a heading.

\c 4
\m
\d For the chief musician; on stringed instruments. A psalm of David.
\q
\v 1 Answer me when I call, God of my righteousness;

Poetry

The Psalms, Proverbs, and other songs can be formatted in paragraphs or as poetry. If you format them as poetry, each line will need the USFM marker "\q" before it so that it will be indented. Exodus 15 begins with a paragraph about Moses and the people singing a song to Yahweh. The song, which is poetry, follows it. Each line of the song has "\q" before it. A program that reads USFM can start a new line and indent the text any time there is a \q.

\c 15
\p
\v 1 Then Moses and the people of Israel sang this song to Yahweh. They sang,
\q "I will sing to Yahweh, for he has triumphed gloriously;
\q the horse and its rider he has thrown into the sea.
\q
\v 2 Yahweh is my strength and song,
\q and he has become my salvation.
\q This is my God, and I will praise him,
\q my father's God, and I will exalt him.
\q
\v 3 Yahweh is a warrior;
\q Yahweh is his name.

Speaker Identification We deleted the speaker identifiers in Song of Solomon because they are not scripture. So I can delete this section.

The Song of Solomon is a poem about the love of a man and woman. You may add headings that identify which parts of the poem are the words of the man, the words of the woman, and the words of their friends. These headings all begin with the USFM marker "\s2".

\s2 The woman speaking to the man

INSERT IMAGE of Song of Solomon 1:7-8 with headings

Footnotes

Footnotes begin with "\f + \ft" and end with "\f*". Some footnotes also have other markers inside of them. The following shows how a footnote is marked in Mark 7:25. A program that reads USFM can put the footote at the bottom of the page. It can also use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words "But immediately" in the footnote.

\v 25 But immediately \f + \ft Some ancient copies do not have the words, \fqa But immediately \fqa* . \f* a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet.

25 But immediately a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet.

Other Markers

You may want or need to use other markers.
To read more about how to use USFM notation, please read http://paratext.org/about/usfm.

[[The blue sentences show how I'm considering describing what the formatting does since I don't know of a way to show it.]] The following are types of information that need USFM markers so that they can be formatted. See [How to Format the Text](../translate/file-formats/01.md) to see the markers for chapter, verse, and paragraph. #### Book Titles Book titles have the USFM marker "\mt" to show the formatting of the title at the beginning of the book. For example, the book of Genesis has the following line. \mt Genesis [[A computer program that reads USFM can format the title written after \mt to be larger than the rest of the text.]] #### Book Numbers in Psalms The Book of Psalms is made up of five numbered books. The title of each book has the USFM marker "\ms". \ms Book two \c 42 [[A program that reads USFM can center the words "Book Two" on the page just over the words "Psalm 42".]] #### Headings Some of the Psalms have headings, or superscriptions, that are part of the scripture but come before the Psalm. Often these tell who wrote the psalm, when he wrote it, and how it is to be sung. These headings have the USFM marker "\d" to show that they are this kind of heading. The beginning of Psalm 4 has the following USFM formatting and text. [[A program that reads USFM can use a different print style for the heading to show that it is a heading.]] \c 4 \m \d For the chief musician; on stringed instruments. A psalm of David. \q \v 1 Answer me when I call, God of my righteousness; #### Poetry The Psalms, Proverbs, and other songs can be formatted in paragraphs or as poetry. If you format them as poetry, each line will need the USFM marker "\q" before it so that it will be indented. Exodus 15 begins with a paragraph about Moses and the people singing a song to Yahweh. The song, which is poetry, follows it. Each line of the song has "\q" before it. [[A program that reads USFM can start a new line and indent the text any time there is a \q.]] \c 15 \p \v 1 Then Moses and the people of Israel sang this song to Yahweh. They sang, \q "I will sing to Yahweh, for he has triumphed gloriously; \q the horse and its rider he has thrown into the sea. \q \v 2 Yahweh is my strength and song, \q and he has become my salvation. \q This is my God, and I will praise him, \q my father's God, and I will exalt him. \q \v 3 Yahweh is a warrior; \q Yahweh is his name. #### Speaker Identification [[We deleted the speaker identifiers in Song of Solomon because they are not scripture. So I can delete this section.]] The Song of Solomon is a poem about the love of a man and woman. You may add headings that identify which parts of the poem are the words of the man, the words of the woman, and the words of their friends. These headings all begin with the USFM marker "\s2". \s2 The woman speaking to the man INSERT IMAGE of Song of Solomon 1:7-8 with headings #### Footnotes Footnotes begin with "\f + \ft" and end with "\f*". Some footnotes also have other markers inside of them. The following shows how a footnote is marked in Mark 7:25. [[A program that reads USFM can put the footote at the bottom of the page. It can also use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words "But immediately" in the footnote.]] \v 25 But immediately \f + \ft Some ancient copies do not have the words, \fqa But immediately \fqa* . \f* a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet. 25 But immediately a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet. #### Other Markers You may want or need to use other markers. To read more about how to use USFM notation, please read http://paratext.org/about/usfm.
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I made the changes, but I still need help with putting two png files on the page to show the formatted Mark 4:25 and its footnote. I also don't know how to put in the screenshot without the heavy dark borders on top and bottom.

https://content.bibletranslationtools.org/WycliffeAssociates/en_tm/src/branch/master/translate/format-markers/01.md I made the changes, but I still need help with putting two png files on the page to show the formatted Mark 4:25 and its footnote. I also don't know how to put in the screenshot without the heavy dark borders on top and bottom.
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Chris's email reply:

It looks like from this page: https://content.bibletranslationtools.org/WycliffeAssociates/en_tm/src/branch/master/translate/translate-process/01.md that we need to put in this link: “
for a graphic to show.
Thing is – I don’t know how to get the graphics we want onto the cdn server. Plus, we might want to put the graphics on a WA server.
Let’s see if Craig or Reuben (copied on here) know if we have a cdn server or maybe we should bring these graphics to a folder in the repo?

(I bolded her last sentence. SQ)

Chris's email reply: It looks like from this page: https://content.bibletranslationtools.org/WycliffeAssociates/en_tm/src/branch/master/translate/translate-process/01.md that we need to put in this link: “![](https://cdn.door43.org/ta/jpg/translation_process.png)” for a graphic to show. Thing is – I don’t know how to get the graphics we want onto the cdn server. Plus, we might want to put the graphics on a WA server. **Let’s see if Craig or Reuben (copied on here) know if we have a cdn server or maybe we should bring these graphics to a folder in the repo?** (I bolded her last sentence. SQ)
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I sent the images to Reuben. He will upload them to the CDN server.
Chris will show me how to put the links to them in TM.

I sent the images to Reuben. He will upload them to the CDN server. Chris will show me how to put the links to them in TM.
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Have you received the links from Reuben?

Have you received the links from Reuben?
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Not yet.

Not yet.
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Susan,
These paragraphs confused me:

Footnotes begin with “\f + \ft” and end with “\f*". Some footnotes also have other markers inside of them. The following shows how a footnote is marked in Mark 7:25. A program that reads USFM can put the footote at the bottom of the page. It can also use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words “But immediately” in the footnote.

\v 25 But immediately \f + \ft Some ancient copies do not have the words, \fqa But immediately \fqa* . \f* a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet.

A program that reads USFM can put the footnote at the bottom of the page. It can also use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words “But immediately” in the footnote.

Perhaps adding ...."But immediately" as demonstrated in the footnote example above.

Or maybe 'as shown' in the footnote example above.

Susan, These paragraphs confused me: Footnotes begin with “\f + \ft” and end with “\f*". Some footnotes also have other markers inside of them. The following shows how a footnote is marked in Mark 7:25. A program that reads USFM can put the footote at the bottom of the page. It can also use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words “But immediately” in the footnote. \v 25 But immediately \f + \ft Some ancient copies do not have the words, \fqa But immediately \fqa* . \f* a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet. A program that reads USFM can put the footnote at the bottom of the page. It can also use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words “But immediately” in the footnote. **Perhaps adding** ...."But immediately" as demonstrated in the footnote example above. Or maybe 'as shown' in the footnote example above.
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Sorry. I didn't write that clearly.

Here's what I want. I added an explanation of what footnotes are and tried to clarify what the renderer does. I would like the .png files to show the formatted note and the formatted footnote. (I attached them to the comment I wrote on 10 February, 2021 above.

Footnotes

Footnotes are notes about the text that appear at the bottom of the page. When writing footnotes, write them after the phrase that the footnote is about or at the end of the verse. Before the note type "\f + \ft" and after the note type "\f*". Some footnotes also need other markers inside of them. The following shows how a footnote is marked in Mark 7:25.

\v 25 But immediately \f + \ft Some ancient copies do not have the words, \fqa But immediately \fqa* . \f* a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet.

A program that reads USFM can put a number after the phrase "But immediately" in the verse to let readers know that there is a footnote about those words at the bottom of the page. And within the footnote it can use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words “But immediately.” The verse with the number and the footnote are shown in the images below.

Screen Shot 2021-02-10 at 4.08.41 PM.png
Screen Shot 2021-02-10 at 4.09.28 PM.png


I won't add "The verse with the number and the footnote are shown in the images below" until the images are actually there.

Sorry. I didn't write that clearly. Here's what I want. I added an explanation of what footnotes are and tried to clarify what the renderer does. I would like the .png files to show the formatted note and the formatted footnote. (I attached them to the comment I wrote on 10 February, 2021 above. #### Footnotes Footnotes are notes about the text that appear at the bottom of the page. When writing footnotes, write them after the phrase that the footnote is about or at the end of the verse. Before the note type "\f + \ft" and after the note type "\f*". Some footnotes also need other markers inside of them. The following shows how a footnote is marked in Mark 7:25. \v 25 But immediately \f + \ft Some ancient copies do not have the words, \fqa But immediately \fqa* . \f* a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard about him and came and fell down at his feet. A program that reads USFM can put a number after the phrase "But immediately" in the verse to let readers know that there is a footnote about those words at the bottom of the page. And within the footnote it can use a different character style or put quotation marks around the words “But immediately.” The verse with the number and the footnote are shown in the images below. Screen Shot 2021-02-10 at 4.08.41 PM.png Screen Shot 2021-02-10 at 4.09.28 PM.png ------ I won't add "The verse with the number and the footnote are shown in the images below" until the images are actually there.
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Susan -
Did we get the links from Reuben?

Susan - Did we get the links from Reuben?
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We haven't. And it's not just to give links to those screenshots, but to give links to files that look better than the screenshots -- the screenshots have a heavy black frame around the text.

Hmmm, I wonder if I did the screenshots wrong. I just tried it now, and it had only a pale grey border on top and bottom. But I lost it. I'll try again Monday. Mark 7:25 ULB and its footnote.

We haven't. And it's not just to give links to those screenshots, but to give links to files that look better than the screenshots -- the screenshots have a heavy black frame around the text. Hmmm, I wonder if I did the screenshots wrong. I just tried it now, and it had only a pale grey border on top and bottom. But I lost it. I'll try again Monday. Mark 7:25 ULB and its footnote.
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