Plural - changes based on how used in sentence? #43

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opened 2023-06-05 21:04:25 +00:00 by SusanQuigley · 12 comments
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The third paragraph says this. The sentence I highlighted seems to have come from a paragraph for case, not for number. Shall I delete it?

In Greek, all words for people, places, things, or ideas have number. There are two numbers in Greek. They are singular and plural. Certain other types of words have number as well. The number of these words can change based on how they are used in the sentence. Their number is determined by the number of the word for the person, place, thing, or idea they are connected to.

The third paragraph says this. The sentence I highlighted seems to have come from a paragraph for case, not for number. Shall I delete it? In Greek, all words for people, places, things, or ideas have number. There are two numbers in Greek. They are singular and plural. Certain other types of words have number as well. **The number of these words can change based on how they are used in the sentence.** Their number is determined by the number of the word for the person, place, thing, or idea they are connected to.
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This is an attempt to describe why an adject or article has number. I think this is an attempt to talk about how some items have number which has to do with agreement, not about anything about the number of that word itself.

This is an attempt to describe why an adject or article has number. I think this is an attempt to talk about how some items have number which has to do with agreement, not about anything about the number of that word itself.
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That makes sense. But I think that highlighted sentence is still confusing. What would you think of me deleting it? The last sentence pretty well explains it, although "are connected to" is confusing without any examples. The idea of being connected makes it sound like a compound word.

I think this might be a little clearer.

Plural

Plural is a number. Number is the form of a word that shows whether the word refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas. There are two numbers in Greek. They are singular and plural.The plural number is often used when talking about more than one person, place, thing, or idea.

In Greek, all words for people, places, things, or ideas have forms that indicate whether they are either singular or plural. When certain other types of words in a sentence are associated with one of these words, they also have the same number as that word.

What types of words use number?

  • Nouns
  • Pronouns
  • Adjectives
  • Articles
  • Verbs
That makes sense. But I think that highlighted sentence is still confusing. What would you think of me deleting it? The last sentence pretty well explains it, although "are connected to" is confusing without any examples. The idea of being connected makes it sound like a compound word. I think this might be a little clearer. # Plural Plural is a number. Number is the form of a word that shows whether the word refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas. There are two numbers in Greek. They are singular and plural.The plural number is often used when talking about more than one person, place, thing, or idea. In Greek, all words for people, places, things, or ideas have forms that indicate whether they are either singular or plural. When certain other types of words in a sentence are associated with one of these words, they also have the same number as that word. ## What types of words use number? * **Nouns** * **Pronouns** * **Adjectives** * **Articles** * **Verbs**
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But it sounds odd to say that plural is a number. People would normally think of one, two, three and four as being numbers. How about this?

Plural

Plural is one of the values of the grammatical category called number. Number is the form of a word that shows whether the word refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas. Greek has two values for number. They are singular and plural. The plural form is often used when talking about more than one person, place, thing, or idea.

In Greek, all words for people, places, things, or ideas have forms that indicate whether they are singular or plural. When certain other types of words in a sentence are associated with one of these words, they also have the same number as that word.

What types of words use number?

  • Nouns
  • Pronouns
  • Adjectives
  • Articles
  • Verbs
But it sounds odd to say that plural is a number. People would normally think of one, two, three and four as being numbers. How about this? # Plural Plural is one of the values of the grammatical category called number. Number is the form of a word that shows whether the word refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas. Greek has two values for number. They are singular and plural. The plural form is often used when talking about more than one person, place, thing, or idea. In Greek, all words for people, places, things, or ideas have forms that indicate whether they are singular or plural. When certain other types of words in a sentence are associated with one of these words, they also have the same number as that word. ## What types of words use number? * **Nouns** * **Pronouns** * **Adjectives** * **Articles** * **Verbs**
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It would be so much easier if we could refer to directly to parts of speech.

Plural

Plural is one of the values of the grammatical category called number. Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas. Greek has two values for number. They are singular and plural. The plural form is often used when talking about more than one person, place, thing, or idea.

When certain other types of words in a sentence are associated a noun or pronoun, they also have the same number that the noun or pronoun has.

What types of words use number?

  • Nouns
  • Pronouns
  • Adjectives
  • Articles
  • Verbs
It would be so much easier if we could refer to directly to parts of speech. # Plural Plural is one of the values of the grammatical category called number. Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas. Greek has two values for number. They are singular and plural. The plural form is often used when talking about more than one person, place, thing, or idea. When certain other types of words in a sentence are associated a noun or pronoun, they also have the same number that the noun or pronoun has. ## What types of words use number? * **Nouns** * **Pronouns** * **Adjectives** * **Articles** * **Verbs**​
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Looks good

Looks good
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The last one?

The last one?
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Yes

Yes
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Thanks. I'll put it in.

Thanks. I'll put it in.
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I realized this sentence is ambiguous:
Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas.

What would you think of me changing it to this? I would do thes ame on the file for Singular.

Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one person, place, thing, or idea or to more than one.

I realized this sentence is ambiguous: Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one or more people, places, things, or ideas. What would you think of me changing it to this? I would do thes ame on the file for Singular. Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one person, place, thing, or idea or to more than one.
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I like the idea but the double or is confusing. Can we do something about this?

I like the idea but the double or is confusing. Can we do something about this?
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I don't know how to get rid of the double "or". Even the original had it:

  • Number is the form of a word that helps someone to know whether the word means one or more people, places, things, or ideas.

The problem is that the two ors have slightly different functions, and there is not a lot there to indicate which or is used with "whether."

  • Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one person, place, thing, or idea or to more than one.

Would putting "person, place, thing, or idea" in each of the two alternatives make it clearer?

  • Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one person, place, thing, or idea or to more than one person, place, thing, or idea.
I don't know how to get rid of the double "or". Even the original had it: * Number is the form of a word that helps someone to know whether the word means one **or** more people, places, things, **or** ideas. The problem is that the two **or**s have slightly different functions, and there is not a lot there to indicate which **or** is used with "whether." * Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one person, place, thing, or idea or to more than one. Would putting "person, place, thing, or idea" in each of the two alternatives make it clearer? * Number is the form of a noun or a pronoun that shows whether it refers to one person, place, thing, or idea or to more than one person, place, thing, or idea.
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it does imo

it does imo
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