#27 - Relative Pronoun - bullets - en_gwt - Wycliffe Associates Content Service

SusanQuigley commented

2023-05-25 21:41:41 +00:00

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Relative pronouns have gender and number.

A relative pronoun that introduces a noun clause will be masculine singular. (Drew, I expect this is the case. Do you know if it is true?)
A relative pronoun that introduces an adjective clause will have the same gender and number as the noun that the adjective clause describes.
Sometimes a speaker uses a relative pronoun with an adjective clause to describe something that he has not already mentioned. Even then, the relative pronoun will have the same gender and number as the thing the clause describes.

Relative pronouns have case.

A relative pronoun that introduces a noun clause will have a case that shows how the pronoun functions in the noun clause.
A relative pronoun that introduces an adjective clause will normally have a case that shows how the pronoun functions in the adjective clause.
However, sometimes a relative pronoun will "attract" the case of the noun that the adjective clause describes. That is, the pronoun will have the same case as the noun.
Also occasionally, the noun that an adjective clause describes will "attract" the case of the relative pronoun, even though the noun is not in the adjective clause.

### More Information about this topic A relative pronoun often refers to a noun that the writer or speaker has already used. When this happens, it will have the same number and gender as the noun it describes. The case of the relative pronoun helps someone to know the function of the relative clause in the sentence. * The relative pronoun that connects the qualifying clause is called the antecedent. * In determining case, the antecedent and the relative pronoun interact with each other. This interaction is called attraction. * When the relative pronoun is attracted to the case of the antecedent, it is called direct attraction. * When the antecedent is attracted to the case of the relative pronoun, it is called: indirect attraction. * When the antecedent is made clear by context, it can be omitted. See: Adjective; Noun ------------- My comments and questions. 1) I don't think that the sentence about case is correct. How about changing it to this? "The case of the relative pronoun helps someone to know its function in the clause that the pronoun introduces." 2) I don't think the first bullet is correct. The relative pronoun **has** an antecedent. The antecedent is usually a noun phrase that precedes the relative pronoun. For example, in Mat 1:16 the relative pronoun ἧς is feminine singular and refers to Mary, its antecedent. How about changing that bullet to this? * The noun or pronoun that a relative clause refers to is called its antecedent. 3) But do people need to know the word "antecedent"? 4) Do people need to know about direct and indirect attraction? -------- Here's a suggestion. ### More Information about this topic Relative pronouns have gender and number. * A relative pronoun that introduces a noun clause will be masculine singular. (**Drew, I expect this is the case. Do you know if it is true?**) * A relative pronoun that introduces an adjective clause will have the same gender and number as the noun that the adjective clause describes. * Sometimes a speaker uses a relative pronoun with an adjective clause to describe something that he has not already mentioned. Even then, the relative pronoun will have the same gender and number as the thing the clause describes. Relative pronouns have case. * A relative pronoun that introduces a noun clause will have a case that shows how the pronoun functions in the noun clause. * A relative pronoun that introduces an adjective clause will normally have a case that shows how the pronoun functions in the adjective clause. * However, sometimes a relative pronoun will "attract" the case of the noun that the adjective clause describes. That is, the pronoun will have the same case as the noun. * Also occasionally, the noun that an adjective clause describes will "attract" the case of the relative pronoun, even though the noun is not in the adjective clause.

SusanQuigley commented

2023-05-26 21:03:13 +00:00

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Drew, I finished what I was trying to do in the window above. Could you take a look at it?

Also I wonder if it would be good to say anything about the other uses of relative pronouns. If we only say that they introduce adjective and noun clauses, will people have trouble figuruing out what is happening in places where the relative pronouns do not introduce some kind of (subordinate) clause?

https://biblehub.com/greek/3739.htm

Drew, I finished what I was trying to do in the window above. Could you take a look at it? Also I wonder if it would be good to say anything about the other uses of relative pronouns. If we only say that they introduce adjective and noun clauses, will people have trouble figuruing out what is happening in places where the relative pronouns do not introduce some kind of (subordinate) clause? https://biblehub.com/greek/3739.htm

drewc commented

2023-05-26 21:21:46 +00:00

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I was wondering if the more information was really necessary

SusanQuigley commented

2023-05-29 15:51:36 +00:00

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I think the information about number, gender, and case is not needed. That kind of info is not given for the other pronoun records.

Would you want anything like this so that people won't be confused when they see a relatvie pronoun but not adjective clause or noun clause?

How else can a relative pronoun be used?

A relative pronoun can be used when listing information about individuals of a group that was already referred to. (Mat 21:35; 22:5)
A relative pronoun can be used to refer to a sentence. (Acts 2:32; Gal 2:10)

I think the information about number, gender, and case is not needed. That kind of info is not given for the other pronoun records. Would you want anything like this so that people won't be confused when they see a relatvie pronoun but not adjective clause or noun clause? ### How else can a relative pronoun be used? * A relative pronoun can be used when listing information about individuals of a group that was already referred to. (Mat 21:35; 22:5) * A relative pronoun can be used to refer to a sentence. (Acts 2:32; Gal 2:10)

drewc commented

2023-05-29 22:21:25 +00:00

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I am ood with it, but should was be were in the first bullet?

SusanQuigley commented

2023-05-30 12:48:19 +00:00

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Thanks for pointing out the confusing wording. It should be "were" if the individuals were already referred to. But they weren't. Only the group was referred to.

How would this be instead?

A relative pronoun can be used when listing information about individual members of a group that was already referred to.

I forgot to mention, this -- the verse references won't be in the record. They were only there if you wanted to see what I was talking about. I got the info from https://biblehub.com/greek/3739.htm

Thanks for pointing out the confusing wording. It should be "were" if the individuals were already referred to. But they weren't. Only the group was referred to. How would this be instead? * A relative pronoun can be used when listing information about individual members of a group that was already referred to. I forgot to mention, this -- the verse references won't be in the record. They were only there if you wanted to see what I was talking about. I got the info from https://biblehub.com/greek/3739.htm

drewc commented

2023-05-30 15:08:48 +00:00

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Better